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In this deeply reflective conversation, Raj Sisodia and Nalima Bhat explore why even the smartest, most successful leaders can suddenly find themselves stuck, hitting an invisible ceiling that strategy, coaching, or performance optimization alone cannot break. Drawing from their new book, Healing Leaders: A Manual for Life and Leadership Recovery, they make the case that leadership development without inner healing is fundamentally incomplete.To see the full video podcast, check out the Conscious Capitalists YouTube channel hereTogether, we unpack how unhealed psychological wounds quietly shape decision making, relationships, and organizational culture, often sabotaging leaders at the very height of their success. Raj and Nalima introduce their seven step framework for healing and integration, Know, Love, Be, Choose, Express, Complete, and Heal, guiding leaders on a journey that begins with self awareness and ends with genuine transformation.The conversation moves into the distinction between post traumatic stress and post traumatic growth, and why real growth requires what they describe as going down to the basement of consciousness before rising to the next level of leadership. Nalima shares insights on integrating masculine and feminine energies, elder and child wisdom, and embracing the role of the wise fool of tough love, a leader grounded in both compassion and truth.At its core, this episode challenges the idea that leadership is only about external results. As Raj puts it, you cannot have a healing organization with a leader who is not healed. The more leaders do their own inner work, the more they create cultures that foster trust, psychological safety, and collective flourishing.This is not just a conversation about business or leadership performance. It is about what it truly means to lead in a way that heals organizations, communities, and ultimately the world.About the GuestNalima Bhat is a visionary speaker, leadership coach, and co author of Shakti Leadership, and a former Distinguished Professor in Gender and Conscious Leadership at Tecnológico de Monterrey.Purchase the book “Healing Leaders: 7 Steps to Recovery of Self” https://a.co/d/02VWA9G2 If you enjoy this podcast, would you consider leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. It takes only a few seconds and greatly helps us get our podcast out to a wider audience.Please subscribe on Apple Podcasts / Spotify / Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.For transcripts and show notes, please go to: https://www.theconsciouscapitalists.comThis show is presented by Conscious Capitalism, Inc. (https://www.consciouscapitalism.org/) and is produced by Rainbow Creative (https://www.rainbowcreative.co/) with Matthew “MoJo” Jones as Executive Producer, and Nathan Wheatley as Associate Producer & Editor.Thank you for your support!- Timothy & RajChapters:0:00 – Introduction & Welcome1:30 – Why This Book? The Journey to Healing Leaders4:57 – From Shakti Leadership to Therapy for Leaders6:35 – The Seven Steps of Healing Overview10:55 – Coaching vs. Psychological Healing15:55 – When Smart Leaders Get Stuck20:02 – Step 1: Know Yourself – Unpacking Identity24:21 – Step 2: Love Yourself – Breaking Self-Destructive Patterns26:53 – Step 3: Be Yourself – Cultivating Presence29:21 – Step 4: Choose Yourself – From Victim to Hero31:09 – Step 5: Express Yourself – Finding Your Purpose36:47 – Step 6: Complete Yourself – The Wise Fool of Tough Love40:19 – Step 7: Heal Yourself – Addressing Trauma & Wounds47:59 – Healing Leaders Creates Healing Organizations50:05 – Final Reflections & Closing Thoughts