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Dusan shares the remarkable origin story of Tony’s Chocolonely, which began nearly twenty years ago with a Dutch journalist’s investigation into child labor and exploitation in the cocoa industry, and grew into a global chocolate brand with a singular goal: to make chocolate 100 percent exploitation free. We explore how that founding purpose has been protected through a unique mission-lock governance structure, designed to ensure the company’s values survive scale, leadership changes, and even future ownership transitions.The conversation dives deep into Tony’s Open Chain, an open-source supply chain platform that now includes more than twenty mission allies, including brands like MrBeast’s Feastables, all working collaboratively to transform the cocoa industry from the inside out. Dusan explains how paying a Living Income Reference Price—often more than 80 percent above market rates—creates real economic stability for farmers, and why full traceability from farm to bar is essential for accountability, not marketing.We also unpack the current cocoa crisis, including why prices have recently tripled, what that means for farmers on the ground, and why higher prices alone don’t solve systemic exploitation. Along the way, Dusan reflects on his own leadership journey, transitioning from a senior role at Anheuser-Busch InBev to leading a purpose-driven organization that measures success not just by growth, but by impact.Together, we explore what it means to scale with soul—expanding into mass retailers like Walmart and Costco while maintaining premium quality, ethical standards, and radical transparency. This is a grounded and honest conversation about conscious leadership, systems change, and the courage required to challenge “business as usual” in pursuit of a more just and sustainable economy.Please subscribe on Apple Podcasts / Spotify / Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.For transcripts and show notes, please go to: https://www.theconsciouscapitalists.comThis show is presented by Conscious Capitalism, Inc. (https://www.consciouscapitalism.org/) and is produced by Rainbow Creative (https://www.rainbowcreative.co/) with Matthew “MoJo” Jones as Executive Producer, and Nathan Wheatley as Editor.Thank you for your support!- Timothy & Raj